Seems like "director" in Microsoft is not really a level like it is in google or fb (not sure what it means). My boss even made mistakes. Is that a req. It's hard for L63. I have to agree with a few that have posted already. Strategy and Product Leader for an omni-channel team encompassing blended physical-digital experiences that combine personalized services with customer relationship strengthening across 400- centers. A great internal tool to help you sync your self perception with those around you is available internally at http://hrweb/US/CareerDev/folder/ms360process.htm. When you see a bozo who is L65 it is highly likely that he had joined MS recently at L64-L65 directly.Here's biggest difference in expectations between levels: The L62 guys are supposed to be able to lead their feature and perhaps influence couple of related features by spreading their best practices. Its, actually, quite a short list. Microsoft senior leadership team under Satya Nadella - CNBC Thankfully, those are relatively uncommon. If you are in office, you will have lots of experience promoting people up to 62 but after that it's a rare event. if they'd only stop doing X and start doing Y on a sustained basis, I could see it Microsoft: Citi Cuts Ests, Target On PC Slowdown. These two lines really serve to summarize the incoherent blithering that was jcr's post.Whoa, really? But power plays are at work and I get smacked when I try and take on extra work.So my question to the more experienced is this - how does one get the attention of management when they are focused on their own problems, their favorite underlings (of which I am not one), and when there is not enough work to go around?"1. I was let go from Microsoft recently. Be the Rosh Gadol Microsoftie. Senior-level Marketing Executive with experience in the consumer and B2B industry. Finally make sure you note how things were improved in your and other groups by your new strategy in commitments review. and hey if it backfires (eg the mgr flips), I can always take the offer at hand and leave MS.thoughts? I would love to be above 60much less 63. That figures. If that means doing something you don't want to do, you might need a different manager (or company). About 1/2 the team is staying, the other half is going to a number of different teams within the larger org. >Real HR managers from Microsoft would have just three [sic]s in a post of that length.I hope HR gets cut. I'm a level 64 lead in Windows and this post is spot on. "Your Recently Promoted L63 Peers"? Most gravitate to safe work that's in their comfort zone or work they enjoy. This 360 review is confidential and you dont have to share it with your mgr unless you chose to do so. I wasn't sure I was going to get out of a couple of those situations but after everyone of them, I was stronger and smarter.Take the challenge and go after tough problems. Pull the ripcord. The last thing I would ever think about is what my boss thinks of me; I just don't care. We need to grow out of this bad legacy syndrome that we still have. In the case of the latter, make sure you have the goods, because your manager now must show his/her hand on whether s/he values you. I am currently going to school which should help the moves to a better position. Microsoft, Go to company page How about a thread on the current hiring/moving freeze, or on surviving the New Ice Age? Its UI is fundamentally incoherent, showing probably the worst case of design-by-committee since the control room at Three Mile Island. As per Microsoft's job posting, the specific position requires over 8 years of experience so it pays high as well. This makes it very easy to feel underleveled, because the 6 people that started 3 weeks before you might take up the 2 promotion spots available per year for 3 years (numbers all made up).You also, at least in my experience, aren't really given feedback on when you're performing at a level that *could* be promoted. The L65 guys are expected to influence outcomes, strategy and best practices on their entire VP level groups. So no time like the present to practice where you can. Do a great job and you are likely to revise their expectations for the following cycle. My first year I thought for sure I would sit at L61 for another year, but to my surprise I was promoted to L62 without even a full FY under my belt. Let's compare answers answer is: your boss. Good managers: In general, good managers realize that they need to sell their team's accomplishments. "There is no greater de-motivator than a reward system that is perceived to be unfair. L68 would not be referred to as Director. Taking the easy escape out like that, you are more likely to get into the same situation at other companies. The higher you go, the longer it takes. Successful people looooove to expound upon the secret to their success. Maybe Steve Jobs' psychotic approach to managing by terror is not properly described in English as "junk yard dog mode" (standing up for what needs to be done vs. mind-numbing consensus wallowing). Oracle. Things get thrown your way and you knock each and everyone of the challenges out of the park. Of course I ensure my manager and skip-level are aware of my contribution as a mentor, but I figure that as long as I'm in front of the wave, the best way for me to advance is to move the wave forward. Avoid long-winded multi-point e-mails, boil down your points as succinctly and efficiently as possible. This will only lead us to a healthy and balanced distribution of levels across genders. Two years ago I realized that the MS treadmill (trying to become what my dysfunctional manager wanted) was making me nuts. ?I work in MSN and we still have no way to know the levels of our peers. In particular I am at 64 for quite some time. I work in MSN and we still have no way to know the levels of our peers. > What if you and your manager are at the same level L62. Because, except on the rare occasion, Microsoft and your team isn't going to change.But, Mini, isn't your 'raison d'etre' just the opposite? Its above level 64 that things get tough, but getting to 64 isn't difficult. "You might be too smart or have ideas that come from somewhere outside of Redmond which makes you very dangerous and not Microsoft material. You have the right stuff to succeed and Microsoft is very happy with you. By contrast, most directors don't have their own budgets, but need approvals from their VP to do just about anything. What I've learned is be very, very specific on your commits and accountabilites. These guys are typically outcome of recent hiring sprees. I have seen people turn it around. I came in at 58 (9) and having been through a) I wish I had gone through b). You broke the trust cycle so don't expect anything else. For those impatient folks who want to move up every 18 months, watch out. You will make your management look good and the levels will come. B.Sc in Computer Science, Electrical Engineering, Electronics, M.Sc in Computer Science, Electrical Engineering, Electronics, PhD in Computer Science, Electrical Engineering, Electronics, Designing and implementing Software and Hardware Systems, Benchmarking and validating Software and Hardware Systems, Developing innovative solutions and publish papers and patents, Managing teams and keep track of progress, Predicting market trends, identifying market risks, Identifying future opportunities, preparing company roadmap. Is there much motivation to really fix Vista's perception problems?Machiavelli might note that intentionally leaving Vista's reputation in the toilet will make Windows 7 look all that much better when it comes out - allowing some of our VP's pride, ego's and bank balances to swell to truly epic proportions. Say B.In a perfect case, B will have 10 devs to transfer to A but when that happen B will be left with 5 testers and 2 PMs. But it's no guarantee that all your peers will match. Founded in 1969 by Dr. Bish Agrawal, ABC Consultants is the pioneer of organized recruitment services in India. That sounded like a complete crock to me. At Microsoft, the levels start at 59 and go beyond 80. YES, there are people who are awful at all three and still succeed. Greg Armand - Sales Director Canadian OEM and Strategic - LinkedIn And having a friend gain less than 3000/yr with a promo to Pricincipal cemented that. From my perspective (L67) here's what you need to nail:1. Taking on the toughest hardest problems does line up well with something everyone has talked about on this post - that is - make your managers look good. and is willing to take a chance on someone whose interview indicates they are ready for next level. It's a matter of human nature for most people not to want someone else to pass them up. The position entails teaching an introductory physics sequence, upper-level physics courses, and related labs. The hardest work item on his place was an expression parser that the team's architect wrote for him. It's an excellent product. L65 here, worked up from L59 (actually, 10 in the old system).The key is always to keep your eye on the goal. Mini-Microsoft, Mini-Microsoft, lean-and-mean! I drove my 59-62 agenda with an iron fist and it didn't matter so much that I didn't play well with others or work to help other teams who were struggling.I became a manager during that time and had a year of major hiccups while trying to break through to 63 -- all of a sudden the fact that I was a unilateral force was working *against* me and not for me. One question a manager will think about before promoting you is how many times he had to clean up after you pissed off someone else - especially if it's someone on another team. 3. don't make enemies), change jobs about once every 3-4 years, and do your job reasonably wellfor a decade. I think folks like that are the one-offs who slipped by and most likely (given the scrutiny I see more and more) certainly wouldn't slip by today. Think about it. Fourth, repeat ad infinitum. * Leaving the company - oh, the all too easy escape: I have seen that mentioned in quite a few comments. But power plays are at work and I get smacked when I try and take on extra work. Last August (different group), I received a dreaded "Limited II", in spite of my manager telling me that he didn't actually think I was in the "bottom 10" at Microsoft, but that the devil made him do it (so to speak) and that it was a "no-brainer" for him. But people who move often grow faster because of two things (in my opinion.) If you push too hard or threaten to leave, you will be written off immediately. You will not know the difference.Steve Steve Steve given the state of the company, are you sure you don't have anything else more urgent to do? Calibrations are like a brick wall, even in regard to comments made about you. That's awesome. Yet, I know that a friend just got one. In MCS, soft skills are often more important than hard skills since you work with customers (often angry ones), sales (often under pressure and looking for someone to blame). At 63, he has to be the one who tells me what the next thing for the product should be. At the beginning of each FY, I always asked, "I want to get Exceeded this year. Do you know why? Hired at L58 in 2000 - Currently L62 and the last 2 promos were at 18mo intervals. Related Searches:All Senior Director Salaries|All Microsoft Salaries. The skip level is totally nonchalant to her ways. Its nice to see constructive advice and stories from everyone.I'm in the 61 bucket and currently struggling with my team for many months. Losing focus of your target next career level will leave you with nothing but regret and wasted time, sometimes years. Microsoft Salaries 2023 | $164k-$4.9M | 6figr.com Browse all Microsoft Software Engineering Manager salaries Frequently asked questions The estimated additional pay is $257,304 per year. The Job titles for this position are: Following is the complete list of Job levels at Microsoft: The highest job title in technical track in Microsoft is "Technical Fellow". After all, if you think you are already ready, and your manager doesn't, there is probably some way you can improve that you don't understand -- this is something you want to figure out.6. By contrast high performers have a fairly accurate self assessment, but are slightly self critical of themselves as well as others. If you can learn to do this you become incredibly valuable.5. Christof Wascher, MBA, M.Sc. - Senior Director, Industry - LinkedIn So far, we all appear to have jobs, but man, what a shocker, I thought ours was one of the more stable teams.Not sure what happens to our Director, he seemed a bit shocked himself when he delivered the news today. Great post and comments. Ritu Sethi - Director- Technology I Outsourcing & Offshoring - ABC Thanks for keeping this focused. This way I can be in a better position to show that I am a "absolutely!" Browse all Microsoft salaries . because I have never seen the above formula fail with me in many years or people I know (a sample set of hundreds of person-years), I would agree, right now, level is deflated, 64, and 65 are real barriers, and salary level expand as well. So dont try to be joker just to get attention.Now of course, this is all just the theory. Most of them are not. Leverage your professional network, and get hired. Someone that 20 years ago made something as complex as Notepad may today be a VP, whereas if you make Notepad today you may not even get a pat on the back. Levels at Microsoft - Blind I've seen L65's who can't own a cardboard box, let alone a room.Well you know, don't go for them for advice! Sometimes i laugh when i read the armchair CEO's on this thread - there is a lot of criticism of Steve, but 99% of our brains would absolutely pop if we had to confront the complexity of decisions he makes in one day. I've changed jobs but came back to the group that's been the most supportive. I know devs who got there without doing anything substantial but their manager was nice and there was no competition.In short, Level 63 to me is not important and I really dont respect 63s unless they I've interacted with them.Level 65+ is another story and are devs who have the stuff almost always.- Someone at Level 62. for 63 promo within a more clear timeline. Revise if needed. In my org the cut is 70% on promos. Senior leadership team - Microsoft UK Are you ok with what you hear? jcr said >Apple's about to ship Snow Leopard with no new features. The microsoft people have already decided you're not a good 'fit'. Up or out as they say.I found a niche I was happy in. By doing this they are short circuiting the feedback loop and thereby preventing themselves from improving. It's really not that complicated. I came in at L61 2+ years ago. Get FREE domain for 1st year and build your brand new site. At Level 66, Microsoft employees reported that nearly 40% of compensation was in the form of cash and stock bonuses. According to Glassdoor, senior software engineers at Google can earn $172,818 as their average base pay, along with average cash bonuses of $30,921, stock bonuses of $104,769, and some other cash incentives for a total of $201,000. Facebook, Go to company page Will <> reach Level 63 during their career? Any idea on when is this going to change? Only 1 of the 4 [sic]s were legitimate. Will they reach L63? It's probably true that there's more to the story and that they actually have important skills that matter. To change Microsoft so that it is small and efficient, and therefore more in line with your thinking?Are you changing your stance because you're leaving the 'hoi polloi' behind? "This is the lament of every person in every big company everywhere it's usually a combination of truth (most of us are capable of more than the roles we're currently filling) and hubris (if I had a nickel for ever junior person who over-estimated what they were capable of I'd be retired). It is true you can always do that, go to Google, go to ABC, or whatever. For example, see http://www.intropsych.com/ch07_cognition/learning_curve.html. Technical excellence alone will not generate success.Authority. HTH. Much longer if new leadership comes from outside MS. Don't perform flawlessly to the above 70+ pieces of feedback only to see the churn above you. He/she and you should know exactly what you need to do to get to the next level. Got two promotions - still level 60If you really got promoted twice then you would have advanced 2 levels.Either you didn't actually get promoted, or someone told you lies. Additional pay could include bonus, stock, commission, profit sharing or tips. VPs may well number in the hundreds at a huge place . I have also always looked for those problems (opportunities). -- Business Transformation Executive with demonstrated experience in managing and implementing large transformation programs through all levels of the organization in order to build growth, grab new market opportunities or reduce costs.<br><br>- Building on Solid experience in Functional roles (Sales, Marketing, Delivery Operations) to drive those programs <br>- Sales Oriented Business . I made sure I was the fastest, most efficient, and best bug fixer. I'm interested in reading your perspective and what advice you'd give to someone new to the company looking at a career path similar to your own. While a manager can help coach you, and you can follow the advice in this post and comments (most of which are great, by the way), you have no way of knowing if there are 0 or 10 people also on the team doing the same things, ahead of you for the limited number of promotions available. Why cannot we have our address title reflect our level as everybody else in the company?Maybe because you are so overleveled (maybe not you personally, but MSN as whole), your bosses doesn't want rest of the company to make ruckus about that injustice (I have seen people moving from SDE II in Windows to MSN and getting promotion-on-transfer to SENIOR SDE, and they were not even hard-core devs). Got two promotions - still level 60. Secondly, finding a suitable mentor to help them overcome that weakness. I went from level 62 to level 65 in that time. I /like/ OneCare. And your list of bullet points on qualities of a 63-er is pretty much the short list I have boiled it down to. Ability to solve problems independently is bad because if you don;t ask for help it reduces your visibility.
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